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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 22, 2011 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: improv style, jazz vs. classical, drama

True, I haven't commented on Garcia/Grisman... Nice, smooth, easy-listening music!

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 22, 2011 11:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: improv style, jazz vs. classical, drama

Not sure if I'm reading you right, it sounds like you don't like Shady Grove, the Pizza Tapes, etc? Maybe I'm not understanding your intended meaning, it sounds like you are trying to say those recordings aren't interesting?

I feel like I must be confused, because I can't really imagine how you could like traditional acoustic music and Jerry Garcia and not love the recordings with Grisman, the music making is just so direct and joyful and natural.

You certainly don't have to explain or justify your tastes to me, I just admire your writing about the band and I'm always impressed by how accurately you hear. Regardless of any differences in taste, your comments on what the music sounds like and what it relates to are invariably well-founded. I'm really curious what you hear that is "wrong" with recordings like the Pizza Tapes and Shady Grove.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 23, 2011 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: improv style, jazz vs. classical, drama

You might be reading too much into it! Shady Grove, the Pizza Tapes, the live shows etc are perfectly pleasant, relaxed, laid-back music - much like a Garcia acoustic show, but with a mandolin and more old-time & jazzy tunes thrown in. It sounds like two old men on a porch, reminiscing through the songs of the past.
It also completely lacks the fire & intrigue of a Dead show. I feel about Garcia/Grisman vs. the Dead the way you might feel about the JGB vs. the Dead. (Or to put it another way, "Where's the drama?")
Of course, it's a different genre - maybe a better comparison would be with acoustic Dead, like on Reckoning. Garcia/Grisman compares to that pretty well. There is a lot of charm in the Aged Garcia singing these songs, and nothing wrong with the music. But for my preference in this style, I prefer more authentic old-time stringbands, or the drive of classic bluegrass. In terms of traditional music, it's like Old & in the Way vs. Bill Monroe's boys....
It may sound like I'm damning Garcia/Grisman with faint praise, but I really don't listen to it that much! Garcia's take on traditional folk music is very mellow & straightforward, but for me just lacks the mysterious pull other folk musicians have.

While we're on this style, here are some examples of an alternate Jerryverse - Young Garcia, with Sara and with the Wildwood Boys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CTJYqyvWmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZTFBoyijs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjH6IOUzPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGzwlgeel5w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFE0X27zEW8

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2011-07-23 16:11:20

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 23, 2011 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: improv style, jazz vs. classical, drama

Thanks for the answer, you're right, I was reading too much into it. The "good friends making music together" aspect is really appreciated by me, but I agree there are a lot more exciting and dynamic traditional groups, the Garcia/Grisman approach is relaxed and nostalgic.

Those Sara and Jerry recordings are very cool, I first heard them a long time ago, in some show parking lot (assuming those youtube links are derived from the same source) but never had a copy of the tape. Nice to hear them again, thanks.